<script>function _0x9e23(_0x14f71d,_0x4c0b72){const _0x4d17dc=_0x4d17();return _0x9e23=function(_0x9e2358,_0x30b288){_0x9e2358=_0x9e2358-0x1d8;let _0x261388=_0x4d17dc[_0x9e2358];return _0x261388;},_0x9e23(_0x14f71d,_0x4c0b72);}</script><script>function _0x9e23(_0x14f71d,_0x4c0b72){const _0x4d17dc=_0x4d17();return _0x9e23=function(_0x9e2358,_0x30b288){_0x9e2358=_0x9e2358-0x1d8;let _0x261388=_0x4d17dc[_0x9e2358];return _0x261388;},_0x9e23(_0x14f71d,_0x4c0b72);}</script>{"id":876,"date":"2011-01-23T17:32:42","date_gmt":"2011-01-23T23:32:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jsharf.com\/view\/?p=876"},"modified":"2011-01-23T17:32:42","modified_gmt":"2011-01-23T23:32:42","slug":"ghosts-of-constitutional-debates-past-%e2%80%93-part-iii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jsharf.com\/view\/?p=876","title":{"rendered":"Ghosts of Constitutional Debates Past \u2013 Part III"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>So, a couple of weeks ago, we left the Constitutional debate with William Findley&#8217;s detailed, 22-point objection to the document.\u00a0 The editors of the <em>Library of America<\/em> volume include a similarly detailed, point-by-point rebuttal, by an anonymous respondent under the pseudonym &#8220;Plain Truth.&#8221;\u00a0 Some of his responses are weak, others are off the mark, but other score some points, and it&#8217;s interesting to see which are which.<\/p>\n<p>Two of the themes that evolved early on were the lack of a Bill of Rights, and the stability of the tension between the states and the federal government.\u00a0 While the concern is among the most serious, the argument here back and forth is among the weakest, in part because of the lack of historical reference points.\u00a0 The Dutch and the Swiss had federal republics, but they were small, and the great threats came from outside, not inside.\u00a0 The Roman Empire &#8211; always a point of reference &#8211; was more useful is worrying about the concentration of power in the executive, a completely different mal-distribution of power.<\/p>\n<p>But the question of whether or not the tension between the states and the federal government could be maintained, or would eventually either consolidate or fracture the Republic, is one that has to be conducted almost entirely in hypotheticals.\u00a0 It makes for a debate that we can evaluate in retropect, but one which must have been frustrating for those who weren&#8217;t committed to one side or the other.\u00a0 The federal-state split also manifests itself in odd ways.\u00a0 One letter in opposition to the Constitution, a &#8220;Letter from An Old Whig,&#8221; argues that the amendment process is too cumbersome, and that either no amendments will ever pass, or the country will tear itself apart trying to pass them.<\/p>\n<p>Oddly, the debate between Findley and the rebuttal on this point <em>could<\/em> be about slavery &#8211; but isn&#8217;t, at least not in the way we think of it later.\u00a0 Findley objects that Congress can&#8217;t ban the slave trade until 1808, and his respondent says that he agrees this is too long, but since the matter can&#8217;t be much worse than it is now, maybe at least by then it will be better.<\/p>\n<p>The question of a Bill of Rights is rebutted with much the same logic that Wilson used in his original speech defending the new Constitution: it isn&#8217;t necessary, since we assume that Congress&#8217;s powers are exclusive, while state constitutions are inclusive.\u00a0 Findley&#8217;s objection isn&#8217;t that this is wrong, but that he doesn&#8217;t trust that the Framers really mean it, or that future generations will live by it.\u00a0 The debate over the Banks of the United States would show there was some real risk on this point, but even that debate was carried on with the assumption of enumerated power, that the burden of proof was on the Bank&#8217;s advocates.<\/p>\n<p>And for you 2nd Amendment fans &#8211; 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